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The Changes Ahead Podcast

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It is no secret that the church in the West is in decline and there seems to have been unending talk about the church needing to change. Despite this, the number of sustainable alternatives or even smaller changes to what most would be familiar with as church is tragically low.This podcast is capturing thoughts of people who can see the Changes Ahead of us. Together we’ll be challenged, provoked even, by the views of people who are thinking about how the church might thrive going forward. So we invite you to join co-hosts Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone as we imagine the Changes Ahead. Also find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, and join the community on Instagram and Facebook @changesaheadcast or Twitter @aheadchanges

41 

Place-based institutions and the future of the church, with Taylor Marston

49m | April 24, 2025

Taylor Marston with Steven Goulstone and Cathy Marston

How can the experience of place-based institutions such as Sister Cities and Rotary Clubs inform where the church is at in 2025? Taylor shares from his research and offers some challenging insights and questions for us as the church.

40 

The art of disagreeing well, with Hazel Dunn

41m | March 26, 2025

Hazel Dunn with Steven Goulstone and Cathy Marston

Treating people with respect and without judgment when we disagree might be one of the hardest things to do, especially in our increasingly polarised world, society and church. Using personal stories and giving practical tips, in this episode, Hazel guides us in the art of disagreeing well.

39 

Faith, creative arts and the power of authentic identity, with Bethany Miller

38m | February 20, 2025

Bethany Miller with Steven Goulstone and Cathy Marston

Welcome to Season 4! We're starting with a compelling conversation with Bethany, who shares her journey of embracing authenticity in Wellington’s creative arts scene. She unpacks the dynamics of expressing her faith and identity as both a performer and a follower of Jesus.

38 

Season 3 Finale, with Special Guests

23m | December 19, 2024

Special Guests with Steven Goulstone and Cathy Marston

As we close out 2024, we’ve got a couple of special guests commenting on what stood from the last year or so of episodes. Have a bit of fun with this AI review of The Changes Ahead Podcast! See you in 2025.

37 

The power of young voices: Shaping our future, with Sarah Finlay Robinson

46m | October 31, 2024

Sarah Finlay Robinson with Steven Goulstone and Cathy Marston

With the reality of less and less children and young people in our churches, perhaps it is time to listen to those who work directly with these generations – along with those generations themselves. Sarah is a Youth Development Worker calling the church to respect, uphold and value the voices and participation of children and young people as the church of today.

36 

Mentoring youth and embracing faith that’s not comfortable, with Sean Marston

48m | September 26, 2024

Sean Marston with Steven Goulstone and Cathy Marston

In this episode Sean, Cathy’s husband and Steven’s long-term mentor, shares from his decades of working with young people the importance of being present in people’s lives in order to speak into them before challenging followers of Jesus to embrace a faith that is not going to leave us comfortable and safe.

35 

Flourishing in leadership and healing, with Anashuya Fletcher

47m | August 30, 2024

Anashuya Fletcher with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

Anashuya shares her experiences of leadership and miraculous healing and how she has been and is being formed by both spaces. Ana invites us to think about what the future of the church might look like and where we are looking for its leaders. She shares the questions and wrestles that being ill and experiencing healing have raised.

34 

We need to change: Abuse in faith-based care, with Jaimee van Gemerden

52m | August 8, 2024

Jaimee van Gemerden with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

With the recent release of Whanaketia – Through pain and trauma, from darkness to light, the final report from the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in State and Faith-Based Care, we reflect with Jaimee on its implications, why it is so important to engage with this as churches and the desperate need for change in our spaces to do everything in our power to ensure abuse is no longer something anyone experiences in our spaces.

33 

Flourishing and mutuality in relationships, with Dr Christa and Matt McKirland

1h 00m | July 25, 2024

Dr Christa and Matt McKirland with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

What does mutual flourishing look like within relationships, and why is this an important change that is needed in our church narratives? Hear the story of two people figuring it out and seeing each other thrive as they seek the best ways for each other to live into and out of their gifts.

32 

They are our youth – responding to youth homelessness, with Aaron Hendry

47m | June 27, 2024

Aaron Hendry with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

Why do so many young people in New Zealand experience homelessness, and why should the church be interested in being a part of the solution? Aaron Hendry has some ideas backed up by over a decade of working in this space. He is a youth development worker, writer, podcaster, and advocate for social justice who has a challenge for those of us with ears and hearts to hear.

31 

Flourishing at the margins, with Paul Fletcher

44m | May 30, 2024

Paul Fletcher with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

Sometimes, it can be hard to see what the Spirit is up to in the church, but for Paul Fletcher, who spends most of his time beyond the walls of the church he leads with people who are on the margins of society, the activity of the Spirit is far more evident. We can learn a lot from those experiences if we are courageous. Paul’s work also involves selling Common Good Coffee; it’s three times as good as regular coffee, a business that, simply by us drinking a great cup of coffee, supports people in some of the most difficult circumstances imaginable.

30 

Slavery, a modern day issue with Sarah Scott Webb

51m | April 29, 2024

Sarah Scott Webb with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

Without stopping to think, it could be easy to assume that slavery is a thing of the past, but in this conversation with Sarah, we will find out just how prevalent it is and why the church should get involved in working to eradicate slavery from the world. Welcome back to season 3 of The Changes Ahead Podcast!

29 

Reflecting on the year with the Wilberforce 'Faith and Belief' study, with Cathy and Steven

31m | December 7, 2023

Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

We've reached the end of another season, and to wrap it up, Cathy and Steven reflect on The Changes Ahead that we've heard this year and are trying in our church spaces through the lens of the recently released Wilberforce 'Faith and Belief' study. Thanks for being on the journey with us for another year!

28 

What if I can’t change the world? Faith, parenting, business and church, with Nat Milne

54m | November 16, 2023

Nat Milne with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

When expectations don’t match reality, what is going to get us through? For Nat, a small business owner and mother of two, the values that underpin why she started her business sustained her in the professional and personal space she was in. As Nat shares her story, we get glimpses into how faith, parenting, business and church intersect to drive her forward and could speak to some of the changes ahead necessary for the church.

27 

Faith informed voting, with Brook Warner

35m | October 11, 2023

Brook Warner with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

Why are you voting the way you are going to this week? How does faith inform the way you vote? Answering these questions can be tricky, but we reckon they're important ones to try. Since it’s election week, we thought we’d have a chat about what this means for us with Brook, someone who is passionate about engaging positively and faithfully in the political process.

26 

Faith in a post-Christian world, with Arunan Noble

42m | September 21, 2023

Arunan Noble with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

As someone with interests in the sciences, alongside studying law, Arunan helps us wrestle with what faith looks like in the post-Christian world he is living in. While holding a deep commitment to the benefits of the church to society, he challenges us to recognise our status and position in order to live up to the potential we have.

25 

The life long journey of healing from harm, with Mary-Anne

45m | September 7, 2023

Mary-Anne with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

In this raw and vulnerable conversation, social worker Mary-Anne shares her story of experiencing abuse, the journey of healing she is on, and the place of deep relationships in faith communities in that healing. TW: conversations relating to child sexual abuse, rape, suicide and domestic violence.

24 

Faith and the integration of body and mind, with Sarah Beisly

44m | August 24, 2023

Sarah Beisly with with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

After experiencing PTSD, Sarah explored her own trauma story and, from that experience, offers amazing insights for us as followers of Jesus into how we can better support people on the spectrum of mental wellness and what the posture of the church and those of us who make it up should be towards each other as we all seek to integrate our bodies, minds and faith journey.

23 

A family shares their experience of listening, loving, and understanding, with Deb and Alan

46m | August 10, 2023

Deb and Alan with with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

With courage and vulnerability, Deb and Alan invite us to listen to their story of navigating the complexity of unexpected news from one of their children. Prioritising love and safety, they share their journey of deep listening which leads them to a more profound understanding of how to love (or understanding new ways to love) their child who is transgender. [We acknowledge the diversity of thought within the church, in particular on topics of gender and sexuality.]

22 

Do we really need to talk about porn? Yes! With Jo Robertson

54m | July 27, 2023

Jo Robertson with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

Jo is back to help us navigate conversations around porn, a topic that is too often ignored in church spaces. How do we have healthy conversations and give space to ask questions and figure out how to respond.

21 

The death of a child and the place of lament and sorrow in faith, with Andrew Bollen

59m | June 29, 2023

Andrew Bollen with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

With grace, vulnerability, and honesty, Andrew shares the story of the death of his son. Hear how people around him responded, and about how his search for, and understanding of God changed. Together we reflect on something of the place of lament in our church spaces, and wonder how they might be transformed with more raw honesty. This is a raw episode, and so we encourage our listeners to take care of themselves as they sit with the story of someone else’s deep pain.

20 

Love for neighbour leads to sustainable living, with Chloe Vos

37m | June 14, 2023

Chloe Vos with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

What does our response to the climate crisis require of us as individuals and faith communities? How does this response relate to loving our neighbours? In this episode, we hear from Chloe about her passion for sustainable living and how her discipleship impacts her study, future, church engagement and activism in the community.

19 

A youth pastor’s experience of serving Rainbow Youth, with Zach Bartley

35m | June 1, 2023

Zach Bartley with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

We’re invited to listen in to one youth pastor’s experience of serving and working alongside Rainbow Youth at youth group. How has this work changed him? How has it impacted him? We acknowledge that this is a sensitive topic for the church today, and are happy to engage with anyone who would like to discuss the topic or episode.

18 

Feminism is good for everyone, with Jaimee van Gemerden

52m | May 18, 2023

Jaimee van Gemerden with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone

What lenses do we bring to reading scripture? What are we missing by not considering the lenses different people bring to it? Jaimee offers us crucial insights into what a feminist lens offers the church today, including reflecting on the objectification of women that happens all too frequently in our church spaces. Jaimee’s reflections truly show us that feminism is good for everyone!

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